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	<title>Comments on: Five pages to print off</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher Townson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Townson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would I print out from the internet if it was to be &quot;turned off&quot; tomorrow? Nothing!

I think the question is indicative of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith_%28existentialism%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bad faith&lt;/a&gt; ... as if your being and identity was somehow dependent upon the persistent availability of external artifacts.

Yes, there&#039;s some great stuff on the web and it&#039;s a wonderful utensil for the realisation of certain projectual intentions ... if it wasn&#039;t there things would be different, for sure; but things are always &quot;different&quot; (if you see what I mean)!

The real interest in the question comes not from the actual response but, rather, from what one&#039;s answer implies about the desire and inevitable inability to appropriate the web as a whole alongside a tangible sense of frustration and regret associated with that.

Perhaps you should use your meditation on the issue to re-focus your current web-related activities, rather than thinking of it as an exercise in some speculative &quot;what if&quot;?

Your thought about attempting to capture your memories of the internet as a place of social interaction is very intriguing - but misguided, I feel. Somehow, the fact that you would regard that as necessary suggests to me that there is still something insubstantial about those interactions (he says, writing a comment on a blog post!) Perhaps the internet reduces social interactions to such an ephemeral status that, like tourists in a foreign land, we need souvenirs to reassure us that it actually occurred? (I&#039;m playing devil&#039;s advocate here.)

It&#039;s regrettable, but it would seem that even our relationship with the most dramatic real-world events would seem to have become infected by this impoverished objectification: I was reading only yesterday how onlookers at the attack on the twin towers were collecting ash as a souvenir ... as if, even though they were present, it was not something that was actually happening to them. They were distanced from it ...

... I leave you to see the relation between those points and the implications of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would I print out from the internet if it was to be &#8220;turned off&#8221; tomorrow? Nothing!</p>
<p>I think the question is indicative of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith_%28existentialism%29" rel="nofollow">bad faith</a> &#8230; as if your being and identity was somehow dependent upon the persistent availability of external artifacts.</p>
<p>Yes, there&#8217;s some great stuff on the web and it&#8217;s a wonderful utensil for the realisation of certain projectual intentions &#8230; if it wasn&#8217;t there things would be different, for sure; but things are always &#8220;different&#8221; (if you see what I mean)!</p>
<p>The real interest in the question comes not from the actual response but, rather, from what one&#8217;s answer implies about the desire and inevitable inability to appropriate the web as a whole alongside a tangible sense of frustration and regret associated with that.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should use your meditation on the issue to re-focus your current web-related activities, rather than thinking of it as an exercise in some speculative &#8220;what if&#8221;?</p>
<p>Your thought about attempting to capture your memories of the internet as a place of social interaction is very intriguing &#8211; but misguided, I feel. Somehow, the fact that you would regard that as necessary suggests to me that there is still something insubstantial about those interactions (he says, writing a comment on a blog post!) Perhaps the internet reduces social interactions to such an ephemeral status that, like tourists in a foreign land, we need souvenirs to reassure us that it actually occurred? (I&#8217;m playing devil&#8217;s advocate here.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s regrettable, but it would seem that even our relationship with the most dramatic real-world events would seem to have become infected by this impoverished objectification: I was reading only yesterday how onlookers at the attack on the twin towers were collecting ash as a souvenir &#8230; as if, even though they were present, it was not something that was actually happening to them. They were distanced from it &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; I leave you to see the relation between those points and the implications of that.</p>
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		<title>By: rodcorp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodcorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, 

It is hard isn&#039;t it. I have only one thing on my list so far. 
http://del.icio.us/rodcorp/wikipedipocalypse

The batteries idea is excellent, though something on pedal-powered generation would be similarly useful. 

Perhaps I might print something on the history of group-forming and  socio-legislation for informal splintered communities.

PS: Barca things to do:
http://rodcorp.typepad.com/rodcorp/2006/08/going_to_barcel.html
and get Losowsky&#039;s Le Cool book if you have time. Great city. Check opening times for stuff as it&#039;s August. Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, </p>
<p>It is hard isn&#8217;t it. I have only one thing on my list so far.<br />
<a href="http://del.icio.us/rodcorp/wikipedipocalypse" rel="nofollow">http://del.icio.us/rodcorp/wikipedipocalypse</a></p>
<p>The batteries idea is excellent, though something on pedal-powered generation would be similarly useful. </p>
<p>Perhaps I might print something on the history of group-forming and  socio-legislation for informal splintered communities.</p>
<p>PS: Barca things to do:<br />
<a href="http://rodcorp.typepad.com/rodcorp/2006/08/going_to_barcel.html" rel="nofollow">http://rodcorp.typepad.com/rodcorp/2006/08/going_to_barcel.html</a><br />
and get Losowsky&#8217;s Le Cool book if you have time. Great city. Check opening times for stuff as it&#8217;s August. Have fun!</p>
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